Lunagel Presents: Deviantards

[Lunagel]

I saw this subforum rotting away and decided to find you some deviantards to snack on. You may thank me later. I won't say who any of them are, just that they're deviantards. PM me for links, if you'd like. I think this one is pretty old, though, so there really isn't much of a point. Also, comments are disabled. I haven't snarked in almost three months now. I'll be a little rusty. And yes, this is going to become a thing.

EDIT - Ack! I keep searching dA, but there aren't many lulz-worthy things. I guess I'll have to branch out from there on to other sites, but the title stays!

DEVIANTARD said:

Honestly if you like the show and are a big fan of it good for you but I'm not really that much of one if one at all. I saw it because I came upon stamps for it and wondered about it. After watching quite a few episodes I formed my opinion.

that's cool. We're starting off great.

DEVIANTARD said:

For one thing I have a huge problem with the stereotypes and the flawed facts given in the show especially when it comes to how Americans dress during the summer and how they act in general

Compared to other portrayals of Americans (by Americans themselves), Alfred is downright patriotic.

DEVIANTARD said:

and I'm pretty sure the French don't want to rape everybody.

The joke is that France is a sex maniac, not a rapist. even though it sort of happens

DEVIANTARD said:

Another thing I have a problem with is, as I have said in my other stamp, the genders chosen for the countries.

BLAHBLAH HETALIA IS A SAUSAGE FEST. We don't really like the lack of girls either. This is why genderbending exists.

DEVIANTARD said:

Quite a few of them IMO had the wrong gender chosen for them, especially America and Russian.

So nationalities are nations? News to me.

DEVIANTARD said:

I would have made both of them female because American's human icon for freedom is a female

But...but... Stephen Colbert! And besides, think of what America would even be like if he was a girl. Man, I don't even want to touch those stereotypes.

DEVIANTARD said:

and Russia's referred to as "Mother Russia" and the last time I checked mother was a female pronoun.

O RLY? The fans do call him Mother Russia too. For laughs, you know? I do like the idea of Fem!Russia though. Genderbending solves everything!

DEVIANTARD said:

Another thing that bothers me is the fact that the countries have sexual orientations.

They... don't. They don't really have any, that's how all the HoYay got here in the first place! Except Sweden, who Himaruya said was gay.

DEVIANTARD said:

Last time I checked Countries don't have any sexual orientation. Their citizens might but THEY don't.

Well, obviously! They're inanimate! But Hetalia people-countries are people!

DEVIANTARD said:

IMO the countries should not be portrayed as gay, straight, bisexual, or transexual..

...why?
Lol transexual. I don't think any of them are traps. Well, maybe thailand.

DEVIANTARD said:

They should be portrayed as asexual because they are countries. Even if the countries are being represented by PEOPLE they should still be portrayed as asexual.

Well, that's no fun. Where's the dirty jokes in that?

DEVIANTARD said:

America is not gay. She is asexual and I am sticking to it.

IF AMERICA IS NOT MALE THEN PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS HMM

DEVIANTARD said:

Before you start getting upset about me about it I would feel uncomfortable if the countries WERE portrayed as heterosexuals too because I don't like seeing them with that kind of thing to begin with.

Yeah, I get it. Countries being paired up squicks you out. It still sort of does for me too. That's why I prefer their human names to be used when reading this sort of thing. I ship them as characters.

DEVIANTARD said:

and if the USA DID date anyone if would be the statue of liberty. I DARE one of you APH fans to draw that!

Bitch, please. Its been done.

SPOILER: Click to show

For shame, you seem to have forgotten America's other true loves: guns and burgers and reality TV.

DEVIANTARD said:

By the way. I am disabling the comments to keep you people from whining to me about this.

OH U

DEVIANTARD said:

I never said I HATED the show.

could've fooled me. With the way you said "you APH fans" it sure seemed it.

DEVIANTARD said:

It's entertaining and funny

EXACTLY. that's the point! I also like how you got butthurt over America and not much else.

DEVIANTARD said:

but that doesn't mean I should become a drooling chimp fangirl about it.

Gee, thanks?

DEVIANTARD said:

There is better stuff out there I can watch and I doubt I'll be reading the manga or watching anymore episode so don't be like. "If you don't like it don't watch it."

Ok...?

LUNAGEL'S VERDICT:
Way to miss the point.

[Kalina.]

Correction: Way to EPICLY miss the point. And sound like a bitch sadly deluded into thinking she's not a bitch. And prove that putting the words 'sense', 'of', and 'humor' means absolutely nothing to you.

People like these make me shake my head.

[The Mad Caker.]

Sounds like someone is butthurt over the fact they think America has been misinterpreted. LOL. This person wanted America is be female?
Have this person SEEN the stereotypes of American women? If anything, Himaruya did America a favor by have America be a man.

Dude, why shouldn't countries be paired? Sure, it's silly, but it's fun. Missed point.

[FreeFallForAll]

[Lunagel]

Although I will say that there is some truth to the argument if there was an argument at all -- When there is less fluff and wank involved, there is a lot more comedy. I'd rather Hetalia be funny with asexual countries and no pairings then be super srs with a bunch of yaoi. This is why I like fancomics and doujins better than the actual comic. Many of them are more historically accurate and have more comedy involved, with less HoYay interrupting it. I also usually end up liking their styles better than Himaruya's KAWAIIDESU style.

[FreeFallForAll]

Jun 20, 2010 3:01:13 GMT -5 Lunagel said:

Although I will say that there is some truth to the argument if there was an argument at all -- When there is less fluff and wank involved, there is a lot more comedy. I'd rather Hetalia be funny with asexual countries and no pairings then be super srs with a bunch of yaoi. This is why I like fancomics and doujins better than the actual comic. Many of them are more historically accurate and have more comedy involved, with less HoYay interrupting it. I also usually end up liking their styles better than Himaruya's KAWAIIDESU style.

This is where we differ-- I'd rather have it be srs more often. I do like the original webcomic, though. It's better than the anime and didn't get a bunch of stuff cut out like the manga apparently did. I also just don't like fancomics in general.

[Lunagel]

Ah, yes. The animu needs moar srsness -- It just seems to gloss over war willy-nilly w/o getting into much detail. In fact, the biggest pet peeve I had about it was that it totally skipped over WWI like it was nothing. I mean, I know it focuses on WWII, but really, there's a lot that could've been done with WWI. did the strips do it too? I didn't read that part

And especially since moar srsness would dispell some "u gaiz don't take history srsly! how could you make fun of war!!!1!!111one!". Its just that the srsness I'm thinking of involves a bit more blood and gore than usually happens in Hetalia. For example, a lot of PunPuniChu's work. Her srs Hetalia drawings are amazing.

I just think that there's a lot more that could be done with Hetalia, comedy-wise and srs-wise maybe I just need to read more of the original webcomic i dunno.

[FreeFallForAll]

Jun 20, 2010 20:37:48 GMT -5 Lunagel said:

Ah, yes. The animu needs moar srsness -- It just seems to gloss over war willy-nilly w/o getting into much detail. In fact, the biggest pet peeve I had about it was that it totally skipped over WWI like it was nothing. I mean, I know it focuses on WWII, but really, there's a lot that could've been done with WWI. did the strips do it too? I didn't read that part

And especially since moar srsness would dispell some "u gaiz don't take history srsly! how could you make fun of war!!!1!!111one!". Its just that the srsness I'm thinking of involves a bit more blood and gore than usually happens in Hetalia. For example, a lot of PunPuniChu's work. Her srs Hetalia drawings are amazing.

I just think that there's a lot more that could be done with Hetalia, comedy-wise and srs-wise maybe I just need to read more of the original webcomic i dunno.

Most of the "U GAIZ ARE MAKIN FUN OF HISTORY AND DON'T KNOW ANYTHIN ABOOT IT" arguments come from people who've only seen the anime. The anime pretty much glosses over the darker elements of the series, which ironically makes it more controversial. But the comics take actual wars and violent incidents in history quite seriously-- it only makes fun of stereotypes, not history. (For example, the series frequently makes fun of the countries' various inadequacies during training and the like during wars, but any actual battle that are shown are usually pretty serious strips.)

/totalfavoritismtothecomic

[Kalina.]

I'm with Frees on this - the anime isn't doing a very good job adapting, IMO. It's too many lulz and not enough srsbsn, and I like my srs from time to time. Plus, I think there was a downgrade in character designs, too, anyway. The comic did have its serious moments in between the lulz. The anime kinda skips right to the lulz and mashes all of it together. Yeah, it's a comedy series, but even comedy has its sad moments.

/doesthatmakesenseorisitthemeds

[Gotta Go Fast]

I actually prefer the art in the anime to the art in the comic-manly because the comic art is so messy and I can't tell like anyone apart.

But many fans do go over the darker things in history.
darkhetalia.deviantart.com/

[Lunagel]

We're back for moar, kiddies! This one is a year-old journal.

EDIT - This is me after I did the snark. You may not know this, but I don't read these things beforehand. I see if it is long enough to warrant a snark and copypasta it onto a notepad, only to read it later. Thanks to this, you can see how impatient I become with this girl as I go on. In fact, let's play a game! Pinpoint where I finally lost it.

Also, there's a comment I made early on that later on becomes ironic. You see, I made it and didn't think much of it, but later it becomes very important.

Deviantard said:

So a few friends have been asking me lately what I've got against this inexplicably popular series

Well, most popular series are inexplicably popular. How did Mind Of Mencia last that long

Deviantard said:

that seems to have popped up recently called Axis Powers Hetalia. They love it... and I HATE it.

Already we have Me Vs. Them. This shan't end well.

Deviantard said:

Hate it hate it hate it!!! But the mere fact that it fills me with boiling rage everytime I think about it

RAEG already? You're one short fuse. You may want to get that looked at.

Deviantard said:

is not a good enough reason for them, so I guess I'll try to piece together why it pisses me off so very much.

Oh my, you had run-ins with the Hetalitards? We're not them, we swear! And did you really expect people to just accept your blinding RAEG without a reason?

Deviantard said:

-I'm- not even entirely sure why I dislike it so much,

Deviantard said:

so this'll be a learning experience for everyone involved, hmm?

I guess so...

Deviantard said:

First off: the concept. Yes, it's kind of a cute idea. Anthropomorphization of anything can be fun if done well.

ELEMENT-TANS, ANYONE? DIBS ON SELENIUM

Deviantard said:

The problem is, it's not done well.

Please, elaborate.

Deviantard said:

This wouldn't be such a big deal if the series wasn't so fucking popular.

OH NOES

Deviantard said:

You can get away with some historical errors if you're a little podunk webcomicker with a solid twelve fans,

...
Podunk?

mod.
rural and backward. (Usually podunk.) : I want out of this podunk town. (From Dictionary.com)

Ad-hominem! I've never seen that before!

Deviantard said:

but not if your series is so big that it gets turned into an anime.

I do agree that something that markets itself as being a srs historical anime should be credible. Except the anime doesn't do that. The anime is more for the lulz and skips over things that probably had more detail in the webcomic.



(By the way, the picture is a link to Hark, A Vagrant, another history webcomic by Kate Beaton)

Deviantard said:

And the whole WWII thing is just in bad taste,

It usually is. And that's the thing. Media will always try to be un-politically correct and push the boundaries of what is acceptable. You people act like Hetalia is the first thing to make fun of WWII when it obviously isn't. Does that excuse it? No, not really. But is this amount of butthurt warranted?

Deviantard said:

especially coming from Japan, a country that, to this day, tends to deny any wrongdoing in WWII.

Well, that has nothing to do with anything. Your red herring failed! And besides, its an anime! Where did you expect it to come from? Canada? btw Kate Beaton is from canada

Deviantard said:

And that's certainly not me hating on Japan, that's just a fact.

But its an irrelevant fact. You could argue that being Japanese gives Himaruya bias for the comic or something, but you didn't. You did not relate this to your point, Himaruya's skills and whether or not Hetalia pulls off the concept well. Good day.

Deviantard said:

Second, the characters. Jesus-fucking-Christ-on-a-cross, the goddamn motherfucking characters.

Profanity means I'm serious!

Deviantard said:

Talk about the most uninspired, unoriginal, impossible to tell apart, two-dimensional, and flat-out insulting cast of characters you've ever seen!!

Well, yeah... isn't that how stereotypes are?

Deviantard said:

It pisses me off both as an artist and as a writer to see so much praise heaped upon such bland, poorly-designed characters.

So have you only seen the anime or what?

Deviantard said:

Yes, you can argue that they're supposed to be stereotypes or something and ignore the fact that none of them have any sort of engaging personality.

Isn't that sort of thing subjective?

Alfred is a lovable oaf with a hero complex. He has an intense sense of justice and just wants to save and help everyone. However, he most always is doing it wrong and tends to cause more problems than he fixes. He's definitely not as smart as the rest, but makes up with his strength gee the reason he fucks up so much totally isn't obvious lol. His head is always in the future, mainly because he doesn't want to think about his history. He has also let on (in the character song WDC, perhaps other places too) that he's being a dumbass on purpose.

Deviantard said:

Fine. Whatever. Have your Sues and eat them too.

How are they sues? Sure you called them bland, poorly-designed, and with no engaging personality, but you didn't elaborate or explain why or give examples or evidence! You're just flinging insults!

Deviantard said:

But couple that with the genericness of their aesthetic design and the already-poor art style of the original comic and you have a perfect piss-off-Lissa cocktail.

I understand not liking Himaruya's KAWAIIDESU style, but jeez.

Deviantard said:

Note to any budding artists out there: changing the hair/eye color/style of a person DOES NOT A NEW CHARACTER MAKE.

Once again,


What the fuck are you talking about? Which characters are you talking about? All of them? Or a specific few you have in mind? I WANT ELABORATION, GODDAM IT.

Deviantard said:

If people tend to confuse your characters with each other, you are doing it. Fucking. Wrong.

WHAT CHARACTERS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
The only characters I ever got confused about were Estonia and Sweden. Three guesses as to why. And that was when I just entered the fandom. Now I see that Estonia's features are round, while Sweden's are pointed. The hairstlyes are different. Glasses shape, for the most part, different. Also Sweden has that look of perpetual scariness on his face. Of course, you could be talking about the Italy twins, but they're just that. TWINS. What did you expect? They're not even that hard to tell apart, either.

Deviantard said:

Third, the history. Listen, Mr. Hotshot-Hetalia-Writer,

I'm calling you a hotshot. It means I don't think you have talent. I'm not calling you by your real name. It means I don't think you deserve respect because I think your animu sucks. It sounds like I mean business. SRS BSNSS. By conveying this to my readers, it makes me look awesome, upping my credibility, while simeltaneously lowering yours!

Holy run-on sentences, Batman!

Deviantard said:

if you're not going to do your fucking research, don't get anywhere NEAR the subject of world history to "satirize"

HISTORY IS VERY SRS

Deviantard said:

(and APH is not satire, as this Deviant's journal kindly points out).

I actually didn't notice that link until I put this into a notepad. I guess we'll visit that next time! ...If its not a satire, then what the fuck is it? Couldn't you at least paraphrase the person and link to it instead of just going "THIS GUY SAID IT ISN'T SATIRE (LINK)"? Why can't you ever explain something?

Deviantard said:

The history of any given country, particularly of the powers involved in WWII, is a touchy, objective, and sometimes downright painful subject.

I'm feeling... Deja Vu!

"And that's the thing. Media will always try to be un-politically correct and push the boundaries of what is acceptable. You people act like Hetalia is the first thing to make fun of WWII when it obviously isn't. Does that excuse it? No, not really. But is this amount of butthurt warranted?"

Oh, right.

Deviantard said:

To not handle the matter with care is a surefire way to piss off anyone whose life has been affected by things like the Holocaust or the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki or September 11th.

Except it does. Sorry if you didn't know, but the comic really only makes fun of stereotypes. Thats why Himaruya cranked them up to the Nth degree and consequently, why you find them so obnoxious. The comic treats war seriously, like the tragic, horrible events they are. And September 11? That wasn't in Hetalia. This isn't fucking Afganis-tan, people.

Deviantard said:

If I've heard correctly, the comic completely glosses over the Holocaust.

MAYBE BECAUSE ITS A TOUCHY SUBJECT AND HE DOESN'T WANT TO OFFEND ANYONE HMMM

Deviantard said:

It's a comic about fucking World War II. Either include ALL of the war, both what little good is there to be found and the bad, or don't fucking cover the war at all.

You know, things other than the Holocaust happened in WWII. And like you said, its a touchy subject.

Deviantard said:

See what I mean?

no.

Deviantard said:

The very idea of trying to make light of such a dark part of history is incredibly offensive...

Just because he doesn't include the Holocaust means he's making light of it? I have a feeling that if he did cover it, you'd be even more pissed off. And besides, the comic is not just WWII. There are other things covered in Hetalia too.

Deviantard said:

and that's coming from someone who, to my knowledge, hasn't really been affected by WWII. Hell, I don't even give a damn about history and I don't claim to know much about it, I nearly failed that class a couple times.

NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR ATTEMPTS AT CREDIBILITY.

Deviantard said:

But I DO care about making fun of people who have done nothing wrong, and a LOT of innocents were wronged in that war.

Are you kidding me? HE'S NOT MAKING FUN OF INNOCENTS! How the hell did you reach that conclusion?

Moar tries at credibility. This one sounds self-righteous.

Deviantard said:

To pretend their suffering just didn't happen for the sake of entertainment is nothing short of despicable.

You know, he doesn't outright show Hitler's face either. Wonder why? And Germany himself was not so fond of Hitler. Wonder why? BECAUSE ITS A TOUCHY SUBJECT. He's not denying the Holocaust, for Chrissakes.

First you get your panties in a bunch because most of the series is set during WWII, which you say it shouldn't be because its controversial and offensive. Then, You get pissed because Himaruya doesn't cover the Holocaust, the most controversial and offensive thing to cover coming from WWII. What do you want from him? I can't follow you!

CONSISTENCY, MOTHERFUCKER! DO YOU HAVE IT?!

Deviantard said:

And I've saved the pettiest reason I hate Hetalia for last: the fucking fandom.

NOT FANTARDS. WE'RE NOT THEM WE SWEAR. I hate it when people judge an entire fandom by the batshit insane minority.

Deviantard said:

I'll readily admit that mainstream anything tends to piss me off. Not always, but pretty damn often.

This anime is mainstream. IT IS BELOW ME.

Deviantard said:

I wouldn't even call Hetalia "mainstream," but it's popping up in enough places I frequent to REALLY get under my skin, DeviantART being the biggest offender here.

I really hope you didn't expect something better from DeviantART.

Deviantard said:

A few people don't care for Hetalia because they're squicked by the yaoi it spawns.

Which is kind of legit. Its hard to read/watch Hetalia without the HoYay getting in the way, so I can see how that would piss someone off. But there are fans of Hetalia that do not like Yaoi, believe it or not.

Deviantard said:

Well guess what? I love yaoi, and that's yet another reason I'm so pissed off by APH!!

You love Yaoi.... and thats the reason why you hate Hetalia?

Is there not enough for you or something?

And will you cut it out with the attempts at credibility? Srsly, I'm getting pissed off.

Deviantard said:

It's one thing to pair up fictional characters from a story and another entirely to slash entire countries with one another...

Good point! This is why whenever I read a fanfiction with pairings, I almost always have to have them use the Human names. Pairing countries still kind of squicks me out. I ship them as characters.

Deviantard said:

and be entirely serious when you do so.

What the hell kind of fans have you met? Please direct me to them so I can kick their asses.
PAIRINGS ARE NOT SRS IN HETALIA.
SHIPPING WARS SHOULD NOT EXIST IN HETALIA
IF YOU DO ONE OR MOAR OF THE ABOVE, THEN YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG

Deviantard said:

If you were poking fun in an Encyclopedia Dramatica sort of way, fine by me. "OLOLOL THAT COUNTRY IS SO THAT OTHER COUNTRY'S BITCH LOLOL" and move on.

For us, its not as much ED as it is just having fun. Though a lot of the time it is like ED. By the way, Hetalia has an ED now! And its Hilarious! I loved it.

Deviantard said:

But then people write fanfics and draw fanart of these bishounen that are supposed to represent countries and make them boink?

Usually APH fanfics are historical... So, you know.. not everyone is writing fanfic just have people boink. Some people actually do want to play out Historical events in Hetalia-verse.

Deviantard said:

And they actually try to make it serious? Excuse me??

Well, gee. Himaruya isn't as srs as you want, so you think he's a Holocaust denier. The fandom makes srs fanfics, so you scold them.

I don't get you! Do you want APH to be for the lulz or not?! I'm so confused.

Deviantard said:

I'm sorry, but the idea of countries even being attracted to one another is one I find so absurd as to be laughable. Countries, even anthropomorphized ones, do not have "relationships" with each other. It's all strictly business.

Sigh. This, again?

Look. The fact that they are humanized means that they are people. Just anthro-ing them doesn't make them Human. Humans have reactions and emotions. Asexual countries would probably be best in a for the lulz animu/mango, because less HoYay would get in the way, but you wanted a srs one right?
...
What do you want, again?
...
Wait, weren't we talking about the fandom?
...
I'm so confused.

Deviantard said:

Sure, you CAN twist all that around to fit your sparklypoo slashfics, but then you come right back to the issue of that whole "pissing off people" thing.

YESSUM. THE WHOLE HETALIA FANDOM JUST READS IT FOR THE HOYAY AND YAOI. NOTHING ELSE. WE LIVE FOR SLASHFICS. OMGGGGG OTP!!!!111!!1

Deviantard said:

Let's insult an entire generation of people for a silly little yaoi story. That sounds like a wonderful idea.

Let's insult an entire fandom by generalizing them from the fantarded minority. That sounds like a wonderful idea.

Deviantard said:

So there you have it, my overly wordy explanation for my anti-Hetalia-ness.

moar liek unnecessarily wordy, amirite?

Deviantard said:

All of that, plus the fact that I'm just really fucking sick of hearing about/seeing APH everywhere.

Completely understandable!

Deviantard said:

Sane, rational people are treating this series like it's the best fucking thing to ever happen ever and that sentiment is pissing me off.

No, they're not. Sane, rational people know that Hetalia isn't the best fucking thing ever because it isn't. It really isn't. From your description of the fandom, I'm almost afraid at what you encountered. On behalf of my fandom, I apologize. But please recognize that they are not us!

Deviantard said:

It's not cute, it's not clever, it's not well-done,

yeah, we get it.

Deviantard said:

and no matter how many times you say otherwise, the fandom is fucking retarded... as most fandoms are.

LOOK AT ME I'M GOING TO STEREOTYPE A WHOLE FANDOM
TOTES NOT OFFENSIVE GAIZ

Deviantard said:

And now I'm going to go read some nice, unoffensive, plotless yaoi to cool my rage - yaoi that is nothing more than two guys that are hot and want to sex it up. Nothing deeper than that. WHICH IS HOW IS SHOULD BE DAMMIT.

Wait... you hate Hetalia because it isn't PWP?


LUNAGEL'S VERDICT:
A bunch of fucking words does not substance make. It was TL;DR with little to no elaboration, explanations, examples, or evidence. Most of the time you just threw insults without backing them up. This is probably because, like you said, you're not even sure why you hate it, and therefore were unable to back up your points with substantial elaboration/explanations/evidence/examples. Better luck next time!

AND NO ONE FUCKING CARES ABOUT YOUR ATTEMPTS AT CREDIBLITY. GODDAM.

[wyoming]

Lunangel

Marry me

If you're already married

*gets on one knee* 8U *holds up chewed pencil cap* Ring come later

But yeah, I'm guilty of beginning to think like that "ranter" *STONE ME LATER* But it was because I would see people throw the "offended" card at anything in the mention of Hetalia, or any personified region/country/city/state/province/territory 8U

[Lunagel]

Actually, the fact that we're both in the club means we're already married! Where do you think the term "waifu" came from? But yes, I will marry you again. *takes chewed up pencil cap*

[Gotta Go Fast]

Also, speaking of darker hetalia
megavideo.com/?v=4XDHG2H2

[Lunagel]

Remember when the last person linked to another journal? Well, I'm doing it now. Jesus, this one is even moar TL;DR than the last. I may just quote entire paragraphs.

But before we start, let's go to the dictionary.

Bias:
Noun - a particular tendency or inclination, esp. one that prevents unprejudiced consideration of a question

Verb - to cause partiality or favoritism in (a person); influence, esp. unfairly:

satire:
Noun -
1. the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.
2. a literary composition, in verse or prose, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule.
3. a literary genre comprising such compositions.


Remember this for the future.

OMFG... This Hetalia craze is driving me insane, If your TL;DR then Main point: HETALIA IS....

1. Biased
2. Historically Inaccurate
3. Drawn horrendously
4. I want to hunt the artist down, Shove a history textbook down his throat and punch him in the uterus. No joke.

Well, this is how we start. Um, I don't think Himaruya has a uterus.

-----------------------"If you hate it so much don't read it"
-As a History lover and a cartoonist who wants to make historical comics one day, THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE. It's like saying "Ignore that person who's hitting your Friend with a baseball bat". SRSLY. I CANT.

First, I'm going to go out on a limb and say you created these arguments/claims which you debunk. Especially since that is the lamest argument in the world. I mean, If someone didn't read it, how could they make a good enough argument about it?

And I am still feeling dubious over many of the Het-antis' (If you say it fast it sounds like hentai lol) claims about Hetalia being unavoidable. I've never met IRL fans. I haven't seen anything on the front page of dA. In fact, to find something Hetalia-related, I have to actually look for it, which is what I think some of them do.

----------------------"It's just a satire chill out"
-Oh no no no no, my dear friends. Satires are meant to be sarcastically witty voices meant to bring upon improvement of the issue being satirized. And often then not, are done on Issues within the time frame of the creator.

While I do agree that most satires make fun of things taking place within the time frame (Daily Show/Colbert Report, anyone?), there have been some that take jabs at the past. Take, for instance, Mark Twain's The Adventures Of Huckleberry Finn. Being a realist, he made fun of the past movements in American culture (Puritanism, Rationalism, Romanticism) all in the book. He did even make fun of stereotypes and racism by throwing stereotypical Jim right in our faces (and showing us that Jim is only pretending to be that way). Now, don't get your panties in a bunch. I'm not saying that Hetalia is on par with Mark Twain. I'm just saying it has been done.

Once you toss in something that must be held delicately and objectively like History (of the PAST no less),

Well, yeah, isn't most history in the past?

and mix it with racism, biases and stereotypes, your in a new ballgame.

What? He's making fun of stereotypes! You don't actually think that we believe this, do you?! Do you really think we're that stupid?! That's stereotyping in and of itself! Except unlike us, you're serious about it! Now I'm offended.

(Doesn't help that some of the information is WRONG or missing LARGE PIECES OF COMPLICATED HISTORY TO BACK IT UP.)

le sigh. Hetalia doesn't take itself seriously, you know that? It doesn't present itself as the end-all-be-all of history because it knows it isn't. Why you antis think that Hetalia is srs bsnss is beyond me.

What makes HETALIA different from Say a Satirical cartoon with racist elements in WWII is that:
1. That Satirical cartoon was drawn in that time frame and is OBVIOUSLY biased because they cant look back on that said event objectively like we do today.

If it is obviously biased and racist like that, I wouldn't call it a satire. If a cartoon is biased racially during WWII, I'd call it propaganda, because it probably is making the enemy look bad. I guess you can say it was satire, but it just sounds like you're excusing someone else's racism.

2. You can't MIX modern Elements with Historical elements in Historical satires, Which Hetalia does to such a large extent

Why not? Anachronisms can be funny. Also, a good few of the comics do take place in modern times.

3. Satires have a single OBVIOUS criticism generally from one party to another. It CAN be subtle, but most of the time the Satirical element is obvious to those who it's targeted to. When you see Hetalia your blinded by the cutesy but first and foremost you see "Racism, followed by lil historical quirks and then the satirical element" <-- which is bad.

I really don't get the whole "Hetalia is racist" thing here. That is the satire. Hetalia is making fun of stereotypes that so many people think are real. How can you think this is serious?

--------------------"So what's so biased about it?"
Racism and Stereotypes aside, the TITLE IN ITSELF is biased.

Hetalia- Cowardly Italy (referring to Italy in World War II).
If the author DID ANY RESEARCH he should note that Italy's surrender in World War II was stemmed from their people NOT being COMPLETELY BRAINWASHED OR FORCED into DYING for their Dictator (they were different from Germany and Russia). They Supported Mussolini but was not drilled to die for their cause (Italian Fascism was alot more leniant). Their "surrender" was a smart decision to prevent the deaths of their men on the battlefields. After all, why toss the lives of countless men on a cause where our leader himself is dead? Japan infuriated by their surrender rounded up Italian soldiers in Japan and tortured/executed them should they not pledge allegiance to the Axis powers. For this outrage Italy declared war on Japan.

Or, you know, its a joke.

^Cowardice? Now isn't that a biased judgment. Especially when the characterization of Italy MAKES ME WANT TO PUNCH BABIES. He runs around acting like a complete idiot, sobbing like some baby and stuffing his face with Pasta. WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?

That Himaruya should've made him a short, hairy ladykiller? I do agree, though, that Italy is kind of lame and annoying.

Historical inaccuracies:
Too many to count. Most inaccuracies actually are based more on LACK OF INFORMATION AND RESEARCH from the Author's part.

Do go on.

-Great Britain believes in magic and is portrayed as useless

Actually, isn't everyone portrayed as useless in Hetalia? And what's wrong with liking magic? You never elaborate on that! You may as well have not included it at all.

Well fair author, have you forgotten how they bravely stood up to the German Blitz singlehandedly thanks to the guidance of Churchill until the U.S Entered the war?
England did not wish to participate in Wars on Mainland Europe. Afterall, their problems aren't our problems. 'Nuff said.
Doesn't help that GREAT BRITAIN had THE greatest NAVAL base and Took over practically the whole world. Useless? Useless? Britain's power was ENVIABLE at the time, the amount of colonies it possessed and the reasons why it didn't eagerly participate in World Wars was Spelled out during the weimer period. >[

Did the author mention that? Haha of course not! We're too busy showing how England is a bad drunk!

That's because Hetalia is mainly about the stereotypes. I think you may be missing the point here.

Since when did a historical comic cross over to being just blatant stereotypes about people?

It didn't cross over. It always was. Do pay attention.

-U.S- Mr. Hero.

You don't really explain this one. Besides, isn't that one, for the most part, accurate?

Once again a crude bias

when the U.S much like England DID NOT WANT TO PARTICIPATE in EITHER of the World Wars, hence our late entrance.

This I do agree with. I was displeased when I saw America leading them in the meeting scene the very first time we see him in the anime. Its like Himaruya started right smack-dab in the middle. I wish there was a scene where the european countries involved are in this big fight cloud with America looking on, saying, "Wow, look at them go. NOT MY PROBLEM LOLOLOLOL *noms on burger*" Boooo... and don't get me started on all the potential wasted with WWI.

However! When we do get eventually involved in any war, the US does generally have this hero attitude, does it not? In the beginning, at least.

-GET IT IN UR HEAD DUDE- Austria Hungary was Germany's number 1 Ally in world war I, they even threw a frikkin parade for hitler in World War II. Italy not so much thanks.

Annnnnd I got started. Yeah, he pretty much screwed up WWI. I mean, when Germany meets Italy for the first time, they were already enemies. I don't find this plausible in the slightest because Italy was originally part of the Central Powers, so they had to have met before Italy switched sides. Booooo....

See? Even a fan finds fault in it. It isn't the end-all-be-all. I know it can be wrong. It isn't the best thing ever.

Thanks a bunch author, you forgot to mention your japanese people BOMBING Pearl Harbor. Oh and how about the Holocaust? The Atom bombs? The MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO DIED. Nope nada.
Cutesifying history is ok, but shoving racism DOES NOT HELP. History is grim full of war, violence and cultural assimilation, NOT little boys eating pasta and crying over spilt tea and crap.

Creating a "Character" with stereotypical quirks is one thing, its another for the character to be given the name of their COUNTRY, which you're collectively generalizing as a whole.

Or, you know, he's making fun of people that do that? Satire! COME ON HOW CAN YOU THINK THIS IS SERIOUS?!

Thanks for being an ass, dude. Rly.

Thanks for missing the point, dude. Srsly.

Oh and totally GAYING them up is Even worse.

But only one of them is Canonically gay!

FYI: Not everyone is gay let alone COUNTRIES. K THX BAI.

Well, obviously. How stupid do you think this fandom is? I'm offended again. Also HoYay just tends to happen when most of the cast is male. srsly, Himaruya, make some girls. MOAR VAGOOS PL0X.

It's true Countries had certain Hostilities/ alliances/ relations with other countries,

At least someone I'm snarking knows the point of the relationships in Hetalia.

but Last time i checked we weren't all Sexually frustrated twinks who want to gay up our neighbors.

That "we" is very telling. You think Himaruya is generalizing all of the people of a specific country to be gay. You can't be serious! And how did you get "Sexually frustrated twinks who want to gay up our neighbors"? Because everything is about sex in Hetalia. Especially of the gay variety. Because everyone on earth is gay. Yes.

* I could go on all day with all the histories and countries he butchered but that would take forever*

Translation: That was all I knew.
Because if you really knew and really cared like you seem to, you would go on.

FYI: Asians HATE each other. Koreans especially (no we dont totally love our japanese and chinese brothers after you guys TOTALLY used our peninsula as a battle ground and exploited our lands. Koreans prior to World war II NEVER owned their own land. Landowners were ALWAYS japanese and chinese). Stop trying to make Japan seem so cool since he's the only country that LACKS FAULTS WHAT-SO-EVER. Wise, quiet, shy and generally kind huh? Did you guys forget your imperialistic, ruthless and just as Culturally egocentric as the rest of us? Nah didn't think so.

He makes fun of Japan too, you know. He's never able to have fun. He acts like an old man. He's too formal, he's prudish, and supposedly very boring (his hobby is analyzing the situation and knowing whether or not to speak/reading the atmosphere lolwtf). He's a pushover and can't voice his own opinions for fear of reprucussions.

He was also taking the piss in that U-boat fiasco in Episode 4. Germany's reactions aside, it was an obvious satire of Japanese culture. Not to mention that in that very same episode its hinted that he has a small penis.

--------------------------"The comic is just for entertainment purposes, calm down no one really believes it"

This is what I've been saying the entire time!

-Animes and mangas in Japan are geared toward children AND adults. From any and all age

Oh, you seriously aren't making this argument, are you?

From any and all age. Around the world, the same applies. So guess what? Of course older audiences DONT take it that seriously

You really are, aren't you?

(if you do believe hetalia to be real history and you took World History classes in highschool and college please kick yourself in the head)

(And if you believe that people actually believe that, please go kick yourself in the head.)

but guess who else is watching it? YOUNG KIDS, ranging from 14 and below are also viewing this STEAMING PILE OF RACIST CRAP. Impressionable young children at that.

Annnnnnd you said it. 14 isn't that young. Try having some faith in people. AND BESIDES, IF THEY CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RACISM AND MAKING FUN OF STEREOTYPES, THEN THAT IS THEIR PROBLEM, NOT YOURS.

Oh wait, going by that logic, it is your problem, isn't it?

---------------------------"The art's not so bad, he can draw better than you can atleast"

I really do think you just made these up yourself. The whole "[X PERSON] CAN DO IT BETTAR THAN U" is
one of the douche-iest and dumbest arguments. The anti-twilighters haved proved this time and time again.

I don't doubt that, but for a comic so popular, it's art is LAZY and HALFASSED. It looks like it was scribbled on MS Paint or something. The tone work is sloppy and each piece looks Incomplete or in its sketch phase.

Yeah, the comic is sketchy.

It doesn't help that his anatomy can use some work and his backgrounds have MUCH to be desired. Especially since countries are PLACES you know, Setting is VERY important (comicing 101 dude). Oh and tossing CHIBIS left and right sure as heck doesn't help either.

Yes, yes, Hetalia is KAWAIIDESUDESUDEUSEXMACHINADESUDESU. We get it.

If anything the FANART for it and possibly the animation born from it makes this garbage LOOK GOOD.

Jun 26, 2010 15:45:07 GMT -5 Gotta Go Fast said:

I actually prefer the art in the anime to the art in the comic-manly because the comic art is so messy and I can't tell like anyone apart.

And I do prefer a lot of the fanart too because KAWAIIDESUDESU is not really my style.

Oh as for the characters: EVERYONE LOOKS THE SAME. United States looks like England who looks like Germany who looks like RUSSIA cept one has glasses and the other has large eye brows and Germany has his hair slicked back. Did we mention the two italians? God forbid i cant tell either of em apart. Or japan... or korea... Oh heck, they all look the same.

I can see how the sketchiness of it all can make some of the hard to tell apart, but I don't get how they all look the same.

Everyone's either blonde or asian.

This actually irks me too. I mean some countries just have be blonde for the stereotypes (America, France, Germany, pretty much all of scandinavia). I know this, but come on! Some of them don't even need it. Why is England blonde?

Some differentiation would be nice. (And adding some spare antenna hair piece does not make them a whole different character)
LAZY.

There are characters that have the exact same hairstyle except one has an ahoge? WHERE? Don't tell me the italies because they are twins. Twins. Do people not know what that entails anymore? You could argue France and Canada, but Canada's hair is shorter. And besides, Himaruya did that on purpose! It was to show the heavy French influence on Canada. They even mention it. "Of course he's Canada! He has my silky French hair!"

Doesn't help that when he chibifies them in EVERY OTHER panel they all look the same. RAWRR

MOEMOEKAWAIIIIIIDESUDESU

----------------------"Your blowing this way outta proportion."

I'll say.

Haha, yeah okay. I'll probably admit that just as how there are so many "Obsessive" fans, least i ent worshipping a halfbaked comic of nonsense.

I'm not quite sure what you wanted to say here. But don't let the vocal minority fool you! We all aren't like that!

If you want a well researched Manga, there's alot of others. Heck FMA has more research put into it compared to this nonsensical trash. Or better yet MONSTER. The amount of research that went down in Monster is phenomenal from setting to time period to characterization. IT LOOKS LIKE GERMANY, HECK YOU CAN EVEN TASTE GERMANY *dies*
If anything Western comics (american comics especially during the golden age since a majority of cartoonists at the time were in fact immigrants of european descent) do historical comics very well. If you want real history: read MAUS by Art Spiegelman who interviewed his own FATHER a holocaust survivor, he even went to trips to Concentrations camps as reference and had a SOLID build up.
History is so RICH, do the research dammit, and plan it please! Now that he's so popular some CLEAN planning would be nice not jumping from one place to another in such a sloppy fashion.

I see what you did there. Don't think I didn't see it. But I will agree in saying that Himaruya should plan more now that he has all these antis on his ass.

---------------------- "But its so KAWAIII"

EXCUSE ME?! Now I'm fucking sure you made these yourself. NO ONE SAYS THAT. Unless you continually encounter the scum of the fandom and the weeaboo-est of weeaboos. WHICH I THINK YOU DON'T. You know what I think you're doing? I think you're just COLLECTIVELY GENERALIZING THE FANDOM AS A WHOLE. The difference between you and Himaruya is that he is making fun of stereotypes, while you actually believe what you just said! So tell me this: Why is stereotyping and collectively generalizing suddenly OK when you do it? You were very angry about that topic before, so you just have no excuse, you little hypocrite.

... Please die.

Follow your own advice.

And to burst your happy Bubble, Most Countries have symbolic representations and personifications of their own. and guess what? Aside from mainly "Fatherland" Germany and the United kingdom, MOST OF THEM WERE FEMALE. RLY? RLY.
Just as how russia was known as the MOTHER of MOTHERLANDS, MOTHER OF SLAVIC NATIONS, MOTHER RUSSIA. Female, get it?

Now, I'm just confused. How did this come from the KAWAIIDESU argument? I've already mentioned how there aren't enough girls in Hetalia, so I guess I don't need to again. Also, there actually is another personification of America. His name is Stephen Colbert (and so can you!). Can you imagine him voicing Alfred? Awesome.

------------------------ "We don't mean to be racist, and we're not collectively stereotyping either."

Obviously.

Then stop calling them by their country names and call them by their character name pl0x.

Well then, what's point of MAKING FUN OF AND SATIRIZING stereotypes then?

If your gonna learn history, learn history. But dont swallow this Hetalia Bullshyt as history less you'll be laughed at or possibly hated for your racist remarks.

Nice job missing the point. Hetalia isn't racist. It makes fun of stereotypes. HOW MANY TIMES MUST I SAY IT?!

--------------------------"Are you done?"

Yeah, really.

For now yes. *does not wish to type out entire historical manuscripts on every historical fault even tho it does melt on my nerves* Crack open a textbook and learn it yourselves. You'd be surprised at how interesting history is if you tie up all the connections. Its a domino rollercoaster ride of events, counter events and build up that shape us today.

You're right. History is genuinely interesting. But for god's sake, Don't be so serious about everything! I was finding humor in history long before Hetalia. You need to lighten up.

oh and for your hetalia people. Animu Hitler would say "HEIL HETALIA DESU" Now GTFO.

WHAT THE FUCK? THAT'S IT, FUCK YOU. THAT WAS JUST UNCALLED FOR. I THOUGHT YOU WERE ANGRY ABOUT RACISM! THAT WAS JUST HORRIBLE. I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU. WHY IS IT SUDDENLY OK FOR YOU TO SAY SOMETHING SO INSENSITIVE LIKE THAT HUH? WHY IS IT SUDDENLY OK TO GENERALIZE THIS ENTIRE FANDOM AND CALL US A BUNCH OF IGNORANT, DROOLING, WEEABOO FANGIRLS, HUH? YOU FUCKING HYPOCRITE. GUESS WHAT. HETALIA ACTUALLY DID TRY TO BE SENSITIVE AND DELICATE WITH THE HITLER ISSUE DID YOU KNOW THAT? I BET YOU DIDN'T. YOU WERE TOO BUSY TRYING TO FIND FAULT IN EVERYTHING YOU SAW. THAT BIAS DIDN'T LET YOU EVEN FIND ONE REDEEMING FACTOR ABOUT IT OR EVEN TRY LOOKING AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE. YEAH I CAN USE THAT WORD TOO. SUPRISED? EXCEPT I ACTUALLY USED IT CORRECTLY.

TL;DR NO U. YOU GO GTFO.

*sigh sigh sigh* Glad i got that outta my system.

Me too. It was freeing.

FYI: The Anime was to be premiered on the KIDS network in Japan. KIDS network. You think KIDS understand Satire? No. Instead they'll see racism and stereotypes hidden under their kawaii-ness. Thank god South Korea bitched about it's release. THANK YOU KOREA FOR SAVING TOMORROW'S YOUTH.

Yeah, whatever. Although I will say that it is not exactly a kids show.

Maybe if the author you know... gave these countries some personalities and not a collective ball of stereotypes this comic would be redeemable. But that doesn't look like its gonna happen anytime soon.

Thanks for missing the point!

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Another one!

I hate Hetalia. The end.

Good for you.


LUNAGEL'S VERDICT:

1: I don't think bias means quite what you think it means.

2: I also don't think satire means quite what you think it means.

3: SRSBSNSS!

4: For someone complaining about racism that wasn't there and complaining about stereotypes that were FUCKING OBVIOUSLY satirical, you sure did a lot of stereotyping yourself. Fucking hypocrite.